When Iain Valliere won the New York Pro, it came with a fair amount of criticisms and controversy. Now he has been left to defend himself against the coach of one of his opponents, former bodybuilder Milos Sarcev.
Most bodybuilding fans were hyped to see the action go down at the New York Pro. However this excitement quickly dissolved into a feeling of dissatisfaction, as many people disagreed with the decision to crown Iain Valliere as the winner. In the days since the contest, Iain has been left to defend his performance, while relentlessly being attacked by trolls and critics who say that the judges made the wrong call.
One of the people who has been vocal against Iain Valliere, is bodybuilding legend and coach Milos Sarcev. Sarcev helped Maxx Charles train for the event and, alongside the fanbase, felt like his guy should have scored better than fifth place. Milos posted a clip to Instagram from a YouTube video made by Nick’s Strength and Power, that discusses the criticisms of Iain Valliere. In the comments of this post, Iain Valliere and Milos Sarcev started going back and forth, arguing over the sentiment that Valliere did not deserve to win.
Below is the brunt of the exchanges between Iain Valliere and Milos Sarcev:
Iain Valliere: “@milossarcev I think maxx looks better in a few for sure, definitely beats me in abs and thighs ๐คท๐ผโ๏ธ. but not nearly enough to beat me in a show. I just can see your intention despite what you pretend to intend.”
Milos Sarcev: “@iainvalliere wellโฆwe agree in one thing โ this is pointlessโฆAnd, sadly you donโt believe me anywayโฆ OKโฆ I think I respected you enough answering ALL your questionsโฆrepeatedlyโฆ(unless I missed someโฆas there are too many). You probably understand- I didnโt have toโฆI could just ignore you and mind my own business, not investing my time in something as futile as thisโฆIn closing: I only posted comparisons pictures WITHOUT EVER COMMENTING them and saying who should have beaten whoโฆ You did โ by saying I shouldnโt put any photos of comparisonsโฆas that is disrespectful to you ๐ (why? โ you think Maxx looks better in these?)”
I: “@milossarcev I donโt think everyone is against my btw, I think you are, and youโre trying to push that onto everyone else.”
I: @milossarcev ofcourse I think you would, just as I would. I donโt feel any hostility towards you. Just disrespected thatโs all. Iโm not 18 lmao. God this gets more immature as we go. Youโre clearly misinterpreting my tone, thatโs fine though. Anyways this is really a pointless conversation. You think maxx should have placed higher, I disagree, you could have displayed that in a more respectful manor in my opinion, but youโll say you werenโt intending to disrespect anyone so itโs really moot moot point cause I donโt really believe you anymore anyways ๐คท๐ผโ๏ธ”
M: “@iainvalliere โ well, I have one face, one mind and one mouth. Everything youโll hear will always be the same โ my opinion. Like I said earlier โ donโt confuse the meanings of what I saidโฆthere is a distinctive difference. And, besidesโฆyou think I am hiding in Cyber world and would not have this same conversation if you stand in front of me?”
M: “@iainvalliere โ here we go againโฆ I posted this video as someone else made it โ @nicksstrengthpower โฆAnd as you noticed โ he even said himself โ that he doesnโt think Maxx should have beat youโฆI would love if someone would make a video of myself โ like Nickโฆwith his YouTube popularity and say how much I sucked when I competedโฆ.Tear me apartโฆif he would wantโฆ You think that would bother me a slightest little bit? Someone actually spending time on me and making a video โ is something to be grateful forโฆ I just saw itโฆand thought it was great to share it. Really, really, really โ BREATHโฆ and stop thinking everyone (especially me) is against you. I love John Jones and I am huge fan of his โ but I would tell him โ he lost his last fight against Reyes even though judges gave him a victory. You think I would be โhating on himโ?”
M: @iainvalliere โ wellโฆif I understand you correctly: you are saying I didnโt suppose to post comparison photos from the show?!?!? ๐ค For the love of God!!! As a fan of bodybuilding I love to see as many comparisons shots from as many shows throughout the years. Putting comparisons doesnโt mean a thingโฆother than โ letting fans enjoy them, true fans appreciate them and real bodybuilding enthusiast and analyst โ analyze them. By posting my pictures with Ronnie, Flex, Chris, Nasserโฆetcโฆfrom my shows โ am I insinuating they shouldnโt have beat me? Itโs a piece of bodybuilding history. Like this show was/is. When I post pics from the only show I won (Canada Pro 1997) with @_chriscormier and Mike Matarazzo โ am I putting myself in trouble as some fans would say โ I dint deserve it? And โ should I be offended if they do? Just couple of dats ago Chris posted on his IG page my posing routine from that very show I beat him โ and commented how great I look. So โ once and for all accept that my posts have NOTHING to do trying to discredit you. And yesโฆyou are right also about tan, lighter skinโฆand everything you mentionedโฆ”
I: “@milossarcev Iโm not intending to โcall you outโ Iโm strictly trying to defend myself in what feels like a blatant attack directed toward me and me alone, as your second post clearly dictates.
The fans also CANNOT get even remotely good idea of the reality of the show from these photos. Iโm the lightest skin guy on stage, and as you know In photos (especially low quality ones) lighter skin looks more washed out and less detailed, whereas darker skin will still show more detail. In the HD pics I posted I look entirely different and it speaks an entirely different story. Iโm clearly a very anxious person as both Tampa and this show have made obvious to a lot of people, so itโs hard for me to just let this sit when I clearly should. For that I apologize because this is your post and I donโt need to be bombarding it with debate. I still just donโt understand the purpose and I myself would never go post comparisons of myself to try and gain favour after the fact in a show I lost. Portugal last year prime example. Mohamed clearly shouldnโt have won, Lukas clearly won the show and I was a 2nd or even 3rd behind Florian who was 4th and I never once posted pictures of Mohamed next to me in an attempt to gain favour or bring him down. Itโs just unnecessary. Maxx can display his physique on stage and win shows if heโs capable, Instagram pictures are irrelevant.”M: @iainvalliere โ so once again, if you believe me โ I didnโt have ANY BAD INTENTIONS towards you or trying to discredit your victory. It was simple post that should actually be interesting for fans to get involved and judge by the pictures they seeโฆAnd, quite honestly โ I would need to study them more to really say who would I put 1-2-3-4โฆ For me there would be no problem any of you guys (You, Justin, Hasan or Max) winningโฆImplementation of different criteria would possibly have all of you guys good choices to be called winners. You won, by 1 point short of perfect score โ so 5 trained professional judges saw you to be the best. Take that, cherish itโฆand DONโT BE BOTHERED what others say. โฆI am just a stubborn Capricorn that always, always, ALWAYS have to respond if someone calls me out..”
I: @milossarcev I have an EXTREMELY hard time finding that even remotely true when you follow that up by posting a thumbnail to a @nicksstrengthpower video that looks like itโs in Maxโs favour when he himself in the video says I deserved to beat maxx. But thatโs not the narrative youโre intending to tell by posting the thumbnail that itโs obviously click-bait and thatโs fine I understand how YouTube works. Youโre trying to say maxx should have beaten me, and thatโs quite obvious. I do believe in the finals Justin could certainly have beaten me as I said, but it wasnโt enough after his position from prejudge. I absolutely understand everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have no issue with that, but it seems youโre intentionally going out of your way to bring me down to boost maxx up and I neither appreciate or respect that.”
M: @iainvalliere Ian- I am sorry that I did upset youโฆbut my character is to ALWAYS respond. I never back down from being โput on the spotโ as I always mean well and speak the truth. I advised you to really enjoy your victory and not to be bothered what others say. For sure you didnโt get the giftโฆJudges saw you a winner and they awarded you. And there are many arguments that you deserved it. Just โrewind the filmโ and realize โ you started posting under the thread PREJUDGING COMPARISONS โ where I just posted all the pics I found on that NPC news online website. I did not SELECT favorable pics โ I took them all and posted as many as they would fit on 10 picture IG limit (all in layout form 2-4 pictures at the time). With that I did not try to discredit you, say that you didnโt deserve to winโฆor that Max should have won. There are arguments that You, Justin, Hasan and Max could have won (I would certainly not put John in a mix, even though others do)โฆ What would you say if judges awarded someone else? It is subjective sport and it is really matter of opinionโฆLook, there is zero doubt for me that you are super nice guy and you confirmed that by statement- you want everyone to like you and I am sure you are trying to be nice guy โ so everyone will. I command you for it. I liked you since the first time I saw youโฆand respected you as competitor too โ bluntly saying you should have won that show in Indianapolis. And, as you know you were not my athlete and I was not bitching to judges they robbed my athleteโฆSo, that should also tell you something about me. I am opinionated and never afraid to express my opinion. Understand that this whole mess we created was โ you over-reacting and taking it personal, when I simply just posted comparison pics for people to see. Many feel the way I do โ that Max was shafted againโฆIt has nothing to do that he is my athleteโฆ.”
I: “@milossarcev the two faced-ness of this industry ceases to amaze me.”
I: “@milossarcev I am upset, Iโm one of the type of people that wants everyone to like me, and thatโs a flaw, yes. Youโre right I shouldnโt give this the time of day, but youโre someone Iโve always looked up to and really liked and itโs upsetting to see these attempts to denounce me and my win or any other other competitors placings. I donโt need you to go easy on me, thereโs nothing Iโve done against you or maxx or any other bodybuilder in this show personally. I didnโt judge the show, Iโm not friends with any of judges. If you have something to say to me say it, not sure what you think youโre holding back on. And Chris as asshole, and Iโd say that to his face. I just donโt understand the purpose of what youโre trying to do? Iโve never once complained or tried to denounce any other bodybuilders when I didnโt win a show, and Iโve done 16-18 pro shows in 5 years and lost all but 2. I never once complained, posted pics where I looked better than guys ahead of me (where there was plenty in many cases) itโs just silly and immature and looks bad on you really”
M: “@iainvalliere ๐๐๐ man โ tell @ptuor to up your anti-estrogensโฆyour emotions are ragingโฆ You are the winner. Enjoy victory and like you suggested โ donโt give me (or others) time of the dayโฆI can do this for daysโฆand trust me โ I am going easy on you and staying politeโฆI am not sure if @_chriscormier will be the sameโฆconsidering you called him an asshole ๐ณ”
I: @milossarcev why do you think maxx placed 8/13 at the Arnold being the 2nd leanest guy in the show (next to Morgan) you think someone has it out for maxx? Youโre not that naive are you? Do you not realize the imbalances draw him down and conditioning only takes you so far? Iโve been as lean or leaner than maxxโs leanest appearances and placed low, it isnโt just a conditioning contest. And Iโll take my shallow chest on a front double over no quads in front double, front lat, abs and thighs, most muscularโฆ”
I: “@milossarcev hard too when sore losers like you are putting it into question over a guy not even in the top 4 lol”
I: “@milossarcev welll then you have 50x more than maxx, so it really says something about his legs that his 56 year old retired coach who doesnโt train for shows has 50x more separation than he does. Thanks for proving my point ๐”
M: “@iainvalliere I have more than you now at age of 56 โ without training for contest”
M: “@iainvalliere thatโs commendableโฆ Maxx had to go to friends basement as he didnโt have it in his own houseโฆ ๐”
I: “@milossarcev mine isnโt in my house either, itโs in a friends. But that is also completely irrelevant and changes nothing as to why he has no legs at 40 years old”
I: “@milossarcev I have more separation in my quads in my offseason”
I: “@milossarcev quads are part of the front double, maxx had worse quads than guys in the last callout”
M: “@iainvalliere โ care to measure and compare circumference of your and Maxes legsโฆ both upper and lower?”
I: “@milossarcev sure, but is isnโt a measurement contest as you would know, itโs a illusion contest, maxxโs legs have zero separation and detail, and he has no hamstrings from the side”
I: “@milossarcev why are you so fucking salty about maxxโs placement. He consistently places where he does for a reason man. Stop being so immature youโre a 50 year old man not 19”
I: “@milossarcev wonder why maxx places low at every big show hmmm”
M: “@iainvalliere โฆpathetic sarcasm ๐โฆ๐ช๐ป๐๐ป. interestingly enough โ many others who judge (give their opinions) call it a โrobberyโ ๐คโฆI wonder why?”
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This has been a wild beef between Iain Valliere and Milos Sarcev. Both men seem quite firm in their beliefs, whether it is Iain defending his win, or Milos sticking up for his pupil. The two are clearly never going to agree about the results of the 2020 New York Pro, but regardless Iain Valliere is the winner and going to compete at Olympia 2020.