NAPF North American Powerlifting Championships 2014
Meet Statistics
Podium: Best Lifters by DOTS
Top three men and women by DOTS, a score that adjusts each total for bodyweight so you can compare lifters across weight classes.
Men
| # | Lifter | Total | DOTS |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
John MacDonald 120 kg · Open
|
952.5 kg | 548.25 |
| 2 |
Carlos Rivera 120 kg · Open
|
947.5 kg | 545.99 |
| 3 |
Ramon Burgos 105 kg · Open
|
895.0 kg | 545.80 |
Women
| # | Lifter | Total | DOTS |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
Liane Blyn 84 kg · Open
|
610.0 kg | 568.51 |
| 2 |
María Luisa Vásquez 47 kg · Open
|
413.0 kg | 553.61 |
| 3 |
Norma Nieves 84 kg · Masters 1
|
525.0 kg | 503.69 |
Results
| Place | Name | Class | BW | Squat | Bench | Deadlift | Total | DOTS | Wilks |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
John MacDonald
Open
|
120 kg | 119.2 kg | 365.0 kg | 280.0 kg | 307.5 kg | 952.5 kg | 548.25 | 548.47 |
| 1 |
Ryan Stinn
Open
|
120+ kg | 133.4 kg | 365.0 kg | 267.5 kg | 317.5 kg | 950.0 kg | 527.88 | 534.92 |
| 1 |
Anthony Harris
Masters 2
|
120 kg | 114.2 kg | 385.0 kg | 220.0 kg | 320.0 kg | 925.0 kg | 540.38 | 538.48 |
| 1 |
Ramon Burgos
Open
|
105 kg | 102.2 kg | 337.5 kg | 210.0 kg | 347.5 kg | 895.0 kg | 545.80 | 540.10 |
| 1 |
Sheah Martin
Juniors
|
120+ kg | 137.8 kg | 357.5 kg | 197.5 kg | 265.0 kg | 820.0 kg | 451.39 | 459.33 |
| 1 |
Orlando Blás
Masters 1
|
105 kg | 104.2 kg | 302.5 kg | 205.0 kg | 287.5 kg | 795.0 kg | 480.95 | 476.35 |
| 1 |
Matt Cassista
Juniors
|
93 kg | 92.2 kg | 302.5 kg | 202.5 kg | 282.5 kg | 787.5 kg | 503.15 | 496.75 |
| 1 |
Vahe Missirian
Juniors
|
105 kg | 102.8 kg | 307.5 kg | 195.0 kg | 285.0 kg | 787.5 kg | 479.07 | 474.19 |
| 1 |
Robert Keyes
Open
|
120+ kg | 136.8 kg | 262.5 kg | 215.0 kg | 280.0 kg | 757.5 kg | 417.85 | 424.80 |
| 1 |
Henry Gerard
Masters 2
|
93 kg | 91.4 kg | 292.5 kg | 190.0 kg | 252.5 kg | 735.0 kg | 471.61 | 465.61 |
| 1 |
Thomas Reilly
Juniors
|
83 kg | 82.0 kg | 272.5 kg | 172.5 kg | 245.0 kg | 690.0 kg | 469.02 | 463.93 |
| 1 |
Marino Jeffrey
Open
|
93 kg | 88.8 kg | 285.0 kg | 165.0 kg | 227.5 kg | 677.5 kg | 441.07 | 435.52 |
| 1 |
Pat Chambers
Masters 1
|
120 kg | 107.8 kg | 217.5 kg | 177.5 kg | 275.0 kg | 670.0 kg | 399.89 | 396.81 |
| 1 |
Rubén Hernández
Masters 1
|
120+ kg | 120.2 kg | 240.0 kg | 175.0 kg | 255.0 kg | 670.0 kg | 384.57 | 385.05 |
| 1 |
Ryan Lapadat
Open
|
105 kg | 98.4 kg | 240.0 kg | 143.0 kg | 282.5 kg | 665.5 kg | 412.53 | 407.69 |
| 1 |
Osmond Mack
Open
|
74 kg | 73.0 kg | 255.0 kg | 142.5 kg | 242.5 kg | 640.0 kg | 467.28 | 464.87 |
| 1 |
Steve Johnson
Masters 2
|
120+ kg | 127.0 kg | 215.0 kg | 192.5 kg | 230.0 kg | 637.5 kg | 359.52 | 362.14 |
| 1 |
Germaine Snagg
Open
|
83 kg | 75.2 kg | 232.5 kg | 155.0 kg | 237.5 kg | 625.0 kg | 447.63 | 444.53 |
| 1 |
Iván Cancel
Open
|
59 kg | 59.0 kg | 232.5 kg | 163.5 kg | 220.0 kg | 616.0 kg | 527.22 | 533.56 |
| 1 |
Jose Matos
Open
|
83 kg | 82.4 kg | 215.0 kg | 157.5 kg | 237.5 kg | 610.0 kg | 413.49 | 408.94 |
| 1 |
Liane Blyn
Open
|
84 kg | 81.8 kg | 227.5 kg | 172.5 kg | 210.0 kg | 610.0 kg | 568.51 | 551.45 |
| 1 |
Kostadin Bahchevanov
Open
|
66 kg | 65.4 kg | 220.0 kg | 165.0 kg | 212.5 kg | 597.5 kg | 471.35 | 472.71 |
| 1 |
Jose Perez
Masters 2
|
74 kg | 73.2 kg | 210.0 kg | 185.0 kg | 200.0 kg | 595.0 kg | 433.64 | 431.33 |
| 1 |
Dave Schneider
Masters 2
|
105 kg | 96.8 kg | 205.0 kg | 120.0 kg | 265.0 kg | 590.0 kg | 368.43 | 363.96 |
| 1 |
Cruz Rodríguez
Masters 2
|
66 kg | 64.8 kg | 217.5 kg | 152.5 kg | 200.0 kg | 570.0 kg | 452.79 | 454.44 |
| 1 |
Shemar Biggart
Juniors
|
66 kg | 61.6 kg | 192.5 kg | 132.5 kg | 237.5 kg | 562.5 kg | 464.77 | 468.51 |
| 1 |
Michael Jack
Juniors
|
74 kg | 68.2 kg | 195.0 kg | 125.0 kg | 242.5 kg | 562.5 kg | 430.34 | 430.15 |
| 1 |
Giselle Costas
Open
|
84+ kg | 102.2 kg | 202.5 kg | 157.5 kg | 182.5 kg | 542.5 kg | 459.10 | 448.91 |
| 1 |
Jesus Aviles
Juniors
|
59 kg | 58.2 kg | 205.0 kg | 150.0 kg | 185.0 kg | 540.0 kg | 467.51 | 473.74 |
| 1 |
Alex Fielder
Sub-Juniors
|
105 kg | 96.2 kg | 195.0 kg | 132.5 kg | 210.0 kg | 537.5 kg | 336.60 | 332.47 |
| 1 |
Kyle Houser
Sub-Juniors
|
74 kg | 70.4 kg | 187.5 kg | 147.5 kg | 200.0 kg | 535.0 kg | 400.29 | 399.19 |
| 1 |
Norma Nieves
Masters 1
|
84 kg | 77.2 kg | 200.0 kg | 127.5 kg | 197.5 kg | 525.0 kg | 503.69 | 490.35 |
| 1 |
Monet Bland
Juniors
|
84 kg | 81.8 kg | 210.0 kg | 90.0 kg | 180.0 kg | 480.0 kg | 447.35 | 433.92 |
| 1 |
Rhaea Stinn
Open
|
72 kg | 70.6 kg | 177.5 kg | 115.0 kg | 185.0 kg | 477.5 kg | 480.58 | 472.27 |
| 1 |
Jarreil Koplin
Masters 3
|
83 kg | 80.4 kg | 175.0 kg | 120.0 kg | 177.5 kg | 472.5 kg | 324.86 | 321.57 |
| 1 |
Erika Myers
Open
|
72 kg | 71.2 kg | 180.0 kg | 105.0 kg | 187.5 kg | 472.5 kg | 473.32 | 464.64 |
| 1 |
Wilmer Ramos
Sub-Juniors
|
53 kg | 52.5 kg | 170.0 kg | 110.0 kg | 175.0 kg | 455.0 kg | 431.88 | 442.05 |
| 1 |
Bill Helmich
Masters 4
|
105 kg | 104.9 kg | 125.0 kg | 115.0 kg | 205.0 kg | 445.0 kg | 268.48 | 266.00 |
| 1 |
Jill Arnow
Masters 2
|
84+ kg | 90.0 kg | 145.0 kg | 125.0 kg | 172.5 kg | 442.5 kg | 394.50 | 382.35 |
| 1 |
María Luisa Vásquez
Open
|
47 kg | 45.6 kg | 170.5 kg | 87.5 kg | 155.0 kg | 413.0 kg | 553.61 | 567.51 |
| 1 |
Juanita Najera
Open
|
52 kg | 51.8 kg | 152.5 kg | 90.0 kg | 160.0 kg | 402.5 kg | 491.93 | 503.27 |
| 1 |
Jorge López
Sub-Juniors
|
83 kg | 79.4 kg | 145.0 kg | 80.0 kg | 165.0 kg | 390.0 kg | 270.12 | 267.53 |
| 1 |
Alexandra Ziepke
Sub-Juniors
|
63 kg | 60.8 kg | 152.5 kg | 75.0 kg | 140.0 kg | 367.5 kg | 404.02 | 405.55 |
| 1 |
Susan Stephens
Masters 1
|
57 kg | 56.8 kg | 110.0 kg | 70.0 kg | 135.0 kg | 315.0 kg | 361.73 | 366.53 |
| 1 |
Joanna Reiber
Open
|
52 kg | 51.4 kg | 92.5 kg | 72.5 kg | 130.0 kg | 295.0 kg | 362.50 | 371.06 |
| 1 |
Miranda Chambers
Sub-Juniors
|
52 kg | 51.2 kg | 105.0 kg | 60.0 kg | 120.0 kg | 285.0 kg | 351.17 | 359.56 |
| 1 |
Chelsea Gant
Juniors
|
63 kg | 62.6 kg | 85.0 kg | 57.5 kg | 135.0 kg | 277.5 kg | 299.62 | 299.47 |
| 1 |
Susan Elwyn
Masters 3
|
47 kg | 46.8 kg | 85.0 kg | 45.0 kg | 117.5 kg | 247.5 kg | 325.39 | 333.89 |
| 1 |
Jill MacFarlane
Open
|
47 kg | 46.8 kg | 80.0 kg | 42.5 kg | 100.0 kg | 222.5 kg | 292.52 | 300.16 |
| 1 |
Norma Rodríguez
Masters 3
|
52 kg | 49.0 kg | 77.5 kg | 40.0 kg | 95.0 kg | 212.5 kg | 270.15 | 277.17 |
| 2 |
Carlos Rivera
Open
|
120 kg | 118.8 kg | 375.0 kg | 272.5 kg | 300.0 kg | 947.5 kg | 545.99 | 546.03 |
| 2 |
Lazaro Nieves
Open
|
120+ kg | 127.6 kg | 350.0 kg | 265.0 kg | 317.5 kg | 932.5 kg | 525.12 | 529.24 |
| 2 |
Karel Mars
Open
|
105 kg | 102.0 kg | 335.0 kg | 195.0 kg | 297.5 kg | 827.5 kg | 505.05 | 499.74 |
| 2 |
Adrian Brown
Open
|
105 kg | 103.6 kg | 315.0 kg | 190.0 kg | 315.0 kg | 820.0 kg | 497.25 | 492.35 |
| 2 |
Curtis Baptiste
Masters 1
|
105 kg | 103.4 kg | 250.0 kg | 165.0 kg | 275.0 kg | 690.0 kg | 418.75 | 414.59 |
| 2 |
David Muñoz
Open
|
93 kg | 92.4 kg | 255.0 kg | 160.0 kg | 245.0 kg | 660.0 kg | 421.24 | 415.89 |
| 2 |
Alex Alvarado
Masters 1
|
120 kg | 107.8 kg | 250.0 kg | 175.0 kg | 215.0 kg | 640.0 kg | 381.99 | 379.05 |
| 2 |
Paul Adams
Open
|
74 kg | 73.6 kg | 232.5 kg | 152.5 kg | 245.0 kg | 630.0 kg | 457.51 | 454.92 |
| 2 |
Ted Stewart
Masters 2
|
120+ kg | 121.6 kg | 220.0 kg | 142.5 kg | 220.0 kg | 582.5 kg | 333.07 | 333.89 |
| 2 |
Lorenzo Donastorg
Open
|
83 kg | 80.6 kg | 200.0 kg | 152.5 kg | 220.0 kg | 572.5 kg | 393.04 | 389.02 |
| 2 |
Rick Johnson Jr
Masters 2
|
93 kg | 92.2 kg | 180.0 kg | 137.5 kg | 247.5 kg | 565.0 kg | 360.99 | 356.40 |
| 2 |
Sergy Shadyun
Masters 2
|
105 kg | 104.8 kg | 200.0 kg | 160.0 kg | 200.0 kg | 560.0 kg | 337.99 | 334.85 |
| 2 |
Sean Duston
Masters 1
|
83 kg | 79.6 kg | 207.5 kg | 120.0 kg | 230.0 kg | 557.5 kg | 385.56 | 381.81 |
| 2 |
Rafael De Jesus
Juniors
|
105 kg | 100.2 kg | 212.5 kg | 120.0 kg | 212.5 kg | 545.0 kg | 335.17 | 331.42 |
| 2 |
Oscar Mejía
Masters 2
|
66 kg | 65.4 kg | 200.0 kg | 117.5 kg | 220.0 kg | 537.5 kg | 424.02 | 425.24 |
| 2 |
Christian Serrano
Juniors
|
74 kg | 72.2 kg | 170.0 kg | 142.5 kg | 195.0 kg | 507.5 kg | 373.26 | 371.60 |
| 2 |
Isaias Gonzalez
Juniors
|
59 kg | 58.6 kg | 190.0 kg | 125.0 kg | 190.0 kg | 505.0 kg | 434.69 | 440.20 |
| 2 |
Aaron Hopkins
Sub-Juniors
|
66 kg | 66.0 kg | 167.5 kg | 117.5 kg | 205.0 kg | 490.0 kg | 383.93 | 384.75 |
| 2 |
Josue Morales
Juniors
|
66 kg | 65.6 kg | 182.5 kg | 115.0 kg | 185.0 kg | 482.5 kg | 379.76 | 380.76 |
| 2 |
Obryan Rodríguez
Sub-Juniors
|
74 kg | 67.8 kg | 187.5 kg | 107.5 kg | 187.5 kg | 482.5 kg | 370.70 | 370.70 |
| 2 |
Stefan Todman
Juniors
|
93 kg | 91.4 kg | 197.5 kg | 97.5 kg | 185.0 kg | 480.0 kg | 307.99 | 304.07 |
| 2 |
Albion Thomas
Open
|
83 kg | 82.2 kg | 147.5 kg | 125.0 kg | 195.0 kg | 467.5 kg | 317.34 | 313.87 |
| 2 |
Matthew Maturasingh
Sub-Juniors
|
83 kg | 79.2 kg | 167.5 kg | 95.0 kg | 197.5 kg | 460.0 kg | 319.09 | 316.05 |
| 2 |
Ronald Herron
Masters 4
|
120 kg | 107.0 kg | 170.0 kg | 90.0 kg | 195.0 kg | 455.0 kg | 272.36 | 270.14 |
| 2 |
Rhonda Clark
Masters 1
|
84 kg | 75.4 kg | 172.5 kg | 90.0 kg | 192.5 kg | 455.0 kg | 441.92 | 431.11 |
| 2 |
Bruce Rhymer
Juniors
|
83 kg | 77.2 kg | 137.5 kg | 90.0 kg | 185.0 kg | 412.5 kg | 290.61 | 288.20 |
| 2 |
Kaylee Findley
Sub-Juniors
|
84+ kg | 115.2 kg | 145.0 kg | 92.5 kg | 167.5 kg | 405.0 kg | 328.90 | 326.28 |
| 2 |
Jannitzzi Tapia
Juniors
|
57 kg | 54.6 kg | 130.0 kg | 77.5 kg | 150.0 kg | 357.5 kg | 421.45 | 429.06 |
| 2 |
Jill Joiner-Wong
Masters 1
|
72 kg | 67.6 kg | 137.5 kg | 77.5 kg | 140.0 kg | 355.0 kg | 366.19 | 361.94 |
| 2 |
Frances Báez
Open
|
52 kg | 51.6 kg | 132.5 kg | 67.5 kg | 155.0 kg | 355.0 kg | 435.04 | 445.20 |
| 2 |
Mariselys Chaparro
Open
|
57 kg | 52.2 kg | 135.0 kg | 75.0 kg | 120.0 kg | 330.0 kg | 401.17 | 410.17 |
| 2 |
C. David Lindley
Masters 4
|
74 kg | 71.4 kg | 92.5 kg | 55.0 kg | 117.5 kg | 265.0 kg | 196.37 | 195.64 |
| 2 |
Gabriela Delgado
Sub-Juniors
|
84+ kg | 89.0 kg | 92.5 kg | 60.0 kg | 112.5 kg | 265.0 kg | 237.43 | 230.06 |
| 2 |
Regina Hackney
Masters 4
|
84 kg | 83.0 kg | 80.0 kg | 47.5 kg | 122.5 kg | 250.0 kg | 231.36 | 224.29 |
| 3 |
Michael Zawilinski
Open
|
120+ kg | 174.0 kg | 370.0 kg | 250.0 kg | 245.0 kg | 865.0 kg | 447.47 | 468.07 |
| 3 |
Raymond Victorine
Masters 1
|
105 kg | 102.2 kg | 260.0 kg | 153.0 kg | 260.0 kg | 673.0 kg | 410.42 | 406.13 |
| 3 |
Christian Plaskett
Masters 1
|
120 kg | 105.2 kg | 210.0 kg | 202.5 kg | 220.0 kg | 632.5 kg | 381.17 | 377.70 |
| 3 |
Erwyn Smith
Open
|
83 kg | 78.8 kg | 220.0 kg | 123.0 kg | 255.0 kg | 598.0 kg | 416.07 | 412.21 |
| 3 |
Dennis Cieri
Masters 1
|
93 kg | 92.6 kg | 155.0 kg | 225.0 kg | 205.0 kg | 585.0 kg | 372.98 | 368.25 |
| 3 |
Ronald Walker
Masters 2
|
93 kg | 84.6 kg | 175.0 kg | 160.0 kg | 227.5 kg | 562.5 kg | 375.73 | 371.31 |
| 3 |
Ismael Perez
Open
|
105 kg | 96.4 kg | 182.5 kg | 142.5 kg | 232.5 kg | 557.5 kg | 348.79 | 344.53 |
| 3 |
Nick Cataldi
Sub-Juniors
|
93 kg | 92.6 kg | 192.5 kg | 112.5 kg | 210.0 kg | 515.0 kg | 328.35 | 324.18 |
| 3 |
Stefan Coker Hollis
Juniors
|
74 kg | 72.2 kg | 162.5 kg | 105.0 kg | 235.0 kg | 502.5 kg | 369.58 | 367.94 |
| 3 |
Thomas Cencich
Masters 2
|
83 kg | 82.8 kg | 150.0 kg | 140.0 kg | 180.0 kg | 470.0 kg | 317.72 | 314.17 |
| 3 |
Luis Santiago
Sub-Juniors
|
66 kg | 64.0 kg | 157.5 kg | 85.0 kg | 212.5 kg | 455.0 kg | 364.87 | 366.58 |
| 3 |
Manuel Bermúdez
Sub-Juniors
|
93 kg | 91.2 kg | 160.0 kg | 80.0 kg | 170.0 kg | 410.0 kg | 263.36 | 260.01 |
| 3 |
Sophia Veiras
Juniors
|
63 kg | 62.6 kg | 155.0 kg | 92.5 kg | 142.5 kg | 390.0 kg | 421.08 | 420.87 |
| 3 |
Tina Crawford
Masters 1
|
63 kg | 62.0 kg | 145.0 kg | 72.5 kg | 152.5 kg | 370.0 kg | 401.86 | 402.23 |
| 3 |
Caitlyn Gant
Sub-Juniors
|
72 kg | 70.4 kg | 115.0 kg | 55.0 kg | 140.0 kg | 310.0 kg | 312.49 | 307.20 |
| 3 |
Joanne Craig
Masters 2
|
63 kg | 62.4 kg | 107.5 kg | 62.5 kg | 130.0 kg | 300.0 kg | 324.55 | 324.54 |
| 3 |
Bebe Burns
Masters 4
|
52 kg | 50.8 kg | 55.0 kg | 37.5 kg | 75.0 kg | 167.5 kg | 207.53 | 212.59 |
| 4 |
William Schouten
Open
|
120 kg | 119.2 kg | 365.0 kg | 227.5 kg | 285.0 kg | 877.5 kg | 505.08 | 505.29 |
| 4 |
Lawrence Belfon
Masters 1
|
105 kg | 99.2 kg | 230.0 kg | 127.5 kg | 220.0 kg | 577.5 kg | 356.71 | 352.60 |
| 4 |
Lonnie Leger
Masters 1
|
93 kg | 90.8 kg | 157.5 kg | 130.0 kg | 195.0 kg | 482.5 kg | 310.61 | 306.65 |
| 4 |
Paul Cataldi
Juniors
|
74 kg | 66.8 kg | 162.5 kg | 102.5 kg | 202.5 kg | 467.5 kg | 363.06 | 363.49 |
| 4 |
Yolande McIntyre
Open
|
84 kg | 81.4 kg | 180.0 kg | 100.0 kg | 157.5 kg | 437.5 kg | 408.72 | 396.54 |
| 4 |
Luis Castillo
Sub-Juniors
|
105 kg | 94.8 kg | 162.5 kg | 80.0 kg | 170.0 kg | 412.5 kg | 260.08 | 256.83 |
| 4 |
Sarah Bohlen
Masters 1
|
84 kg | 78.6 kg | 152.5 kg | 82.5 kg | 160.0 kg | 395.0 kg | 375.50 | 365.06 |
| 4 |
Fernando Díaz
Sub-Juniors
|
59 kg | 57.4 kg | 125.0 kg | 90.0 kg | 160.0 kg | 375.0 kg | 328.51 | 333.33 |
| 4 |
Chase Fettes
Sub-Juniors
|
59 kg | 57.4 kg | 127.5 kg | 77.5 kg | 152.5 kg | 357.5 kg | 313.18 | 317.78 |
| 4 |
Debbie Nahas
Masters 1
|
72 kg | 64.2 kg | 105.0 kg | 60.0 kg | 127.5 kg | 292.5 kg | 311.02 | 309.70 |
| 5 |
Sherman Thomas
Open
|
120+ kg | 125.2 kg | 282.5 kg | 197.5 kg | 250.0 kg | 730.0 kg | 413.52 | 415.85 |
| 5 |
Nate Salemno
Sub-Juniors
|
74 kg | 66.2 kg | 137.5 kg | 105.0 kg | 162.5 kg | 405.0 kg | 316.62 | 317.22 |
| 5 |
Linda McFeeters
Masters 2
|
72 kg | 70.8 kg | 85.0 kg | 62.5 kg | 125.0 kg | 272.5 kg | 273.83 | 268.99 |
| G |
Cheryl Anderson
Guest
Open
|
52 kg | 47.6 kg | 92.5 kg | 65.0 kg | 147.5 kg | 305.0 kg | 396.00 | 406.43 |
| G |
Lani Yamamoto
Guest
Masters 1
|
57 kg | 53.2 kg | 100.0 kg | 60.0 kg | 100.0 kg | 260.0 kg | 311.96 | 318.44 |
| DQ |
Raymond E. Curtis
Masters 4
|
93 kg | 89.4 kg | 102.5 kg | - | 142.5 kg | DQ | - | - |
| DQ |
Chandra Armstead
Masters 2
|
72 kg | 72.0 kg | - | 70.0 kg | 127.5 kg | DQ | - | - |
| DQ |
Volodymyr Narolskyy
Open
|
83 kg | 82.2 kg | 250.0 kg | - | - | DQ | - | - |
| DQ |
Juliana Rivera
Sub-Juniors
|
52 kg | 51.0 kg | - | 55.0 kg | 125.0 kg | DQ | - | - |
| DQ |
Jonathan Ramirez
Open
|
120 kg | 113.4 kg | - | 160.0 kg | 240.0 kg | DQ | - | - |
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